Ya see, I'm not a Catholic. Catholics have elevated the words of the pope to be equal to God's revelation, and there's nothing about that for me to agree with. The Bible is the Bible; the Bible is what God has given us. To me the words of humans, no matter how wise, don't merit the same rank. Gluttony is one of the seven deadly sins according to the RC church, but even in their theology there is no Scripture to back up the teaching. Therefore, as an evangelical Protestant, that has no rank. Gluttony is foolish and self-destructive, but God doesn't call it a sin. So especially in this conversation where you are trying to say it's as sinful as suicide, there is no biblical evidence to support that thesis. There are no mental gymnastics, but just the pages of the Bible vs. men's thoughts.

i feel you're doing some mental gymnastics to come to your conclusion that it is not a sin. it's literally one of the 7 deadly sins as defined by the Roman Catholic Church.

OK, so you're the one who says suicide isn't murder. I disagree, since suicide is the taking of a life. But we can disagree about such definitions.

And thank you for the Proverbs texts. They are perfect examples of what I said before: Gluttony in the Bible is perceived as irresponsible, uncontrolled, and dishonorable, but not a sin. There is nothing in these verses relating gluttony to sin—only to foolishness.

yes. murder is very plainly defined as taking someone elses life.

Proverbs 28:7 declares, “He who keeps the law is a discerning son, but a companion of gluttons disgraces his father.”

Proverbs 23:2 proclaims, “Put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony.”

So it's you who doesn't consider suicide to be murder, since suicide is certainly premeditated killing.

You still didn't let me know where the Bible says gluttony is sin.

again with mental gymnastics. murder definition: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by ANOTHER

No, I am not saying that suicide is not a sin. Suicide is killing, and therefore murder, and so is a sin.

You say gluttony is a sin. Please lead me to the Bible verse that says that.

are you saying suicide is not a sin? seems like a lot of mental gymnastics here to justify people stuffing their faces to the point of hindering their health and leading to death. Even if they don't die, gluttony is still the sin, and all sins are punishable by death

Death in the Bible is not a judgment (punishment) but a "wage" (Romans 6.23). Death is more alienation from God than it is the cessation of life (technically there is no cessation of life). It is earned recompense. N.T. Wright says, "Death is the denial of God's created order."

In Genesis 2, death was not a judgment but the declared and forewarned eventual outcome of their decision and behavior. They will be forbidden to have access to the Tree of Life. Death is a break of fellowship with God.

Physical death is the fate of all of us, whether believers or unbelievers. Spiritual life after death awaits believers; spiritual death after death awaits unbelievers. It's true that all sins lead to death (the consequence of alienation from God), but there are degrees of punishment inside that state, so there are degrees of "sin-ness," as Jesus himself said in John 19.11. But it could be argued that gluttony is never even called a sin in the Bible, because it isn't called that. It's foolish and self-destructive, but it is never called a sin, whereas murder, anger, and hate are.

ok but if sin is sin, and all sin is punishable by death, it seems deceptive to say 'buuuttttt this one over here is worse' - there's no 'worse' death punishment. they're all punishable by death