> Anything is possible, but is it reasonable? Your case is not even close to being possible beyond a reasonable doubt.
Unfortunately, that's not how claims and reasonable doubt works. If there is a claim, and I cast a doubt on the possibility of that claim, the people making the claim have a burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. There is an extraordinary unconfirmed claim that a god exists from people, documented by mostly unknown authors, in very old copied texts. I'm attempting to cast a doubt on the unconfirmed extraordinary claims, documented by mostly unconfirmed authors, by presenting evidence. There is evidence of people using hallucinogenic and psychoactive ingredients before, during, and after jesus lived. There is evidence of people using hallucinogenic and psychoactive ingredients in and around the communities the books of the Bible were written.
> OK, thanks. There is obviously a grave misunderstanding on your part or the part of your source. First, the oil to which you are referring was never ingested either by mouth or inhalation.
Sorry, you were meant to link the fact that olive oil mediates the transfer of other compounds through the skin.
> If you read Exodus 30.26-28, it was poured on articles of furniture. In Ex. 30.30, it was poured on the heads of the priests.
Yes. Olive oil enhances the delivery, of other oils or compounds its mixed with, through the skin. There are oils, from plants, that can be absorbed through the skin, that causes hallucinations.
> Secondly, this oil in the temple had nothing to do with the writing of the Scriptures,
The Holy anointing oil of the themple is not related at all to the holy anointing oil that Moses or jesus or the disciples used? And weren't these oils placed on the skin/head?
> nor can we infer the authors were under any kind of influence of it when they were writing.
All The writers? Probably not.
the witnesses and writers who say they saw the risen jesus and other holy spirits and angels? probably.
> Your claim was that "the authors, and witnesses were likely under the influence of hallucinogenic and psychoactive compounds." But there's no evidence of that anywhere, at all.
The primary advocate of a religious use of cannabis plant in early Judaism was Sula Benet, also called Sara Benetowa, a Polish anthropologist, who claimed in 1967 that the plant kaneh bosm קְנֵה-בֹשֶׂם mentioned five times in the Hebrew Bible, and used in the holy anointing oil of the Book of Exodus, was in fact cannabis.[23] The Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church confirmed it as a possible valid interpretation.[24] The lexicons of Hebrew and dictionaries of plants of the Bible such as by Michael Zohary (1985), Hans Arne Jensen(2004) and James A. Duke (2010) and others identify the plant in question as either Acorus calamus or Cymbopogon citratus.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EntheogenIt's not only possible, buts it's 100% probable that people using hallucinogenic and psychoactive ingredients before, during, and after jesus lived. There is 100% probability of people using hallucinogenic and psychoactive ingredients in and around the communities the books of the Bible were written. There is 100% probability that people, living now and in the past, and in multiple locations all over the world, have had hallucinations of people they know have died. That, combined with a host of cognitive biases, plus: John 20:11–18, Luke 24:13–21, John 21:1–13, Acts 2:14-15, supports the hypothesis that the resurrected jesus was probably hallucinated.
> Third, there was a strict regulation that this recipe was used only in the temple for these sacred anointings and never for any other use (Ex. 30.32-33). Your case is completely unfounded and falls apart at the first sign of research.
Yes, as stated at one instance in the Bible, but stating it doesn't make everyone follow words on a page because Moses, jesus, and the disciples used it. But these passages prove anointing oil wasn't only used in temples, but also used by Moses, jesus, and the disciples.
Exodus 30:22-33 King James Version (KJV) 22 Moreover the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, 23 Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet calamus two hundred and fifty shekels, 24 And of cassia five hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of oil olive an hin: 25 And thou shalt make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary: it shall be an holy anointing oil.
Jesus gave the disciple anointing oil. Mark 6:7-13
7 And he called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirit... 13 And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them.
Psalm 45:7-8 7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 8 All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad.
Acts 2:3-4 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
They probably used their own drug/anointing oil.
> Your claim that it was "later extended to include prophets and kings (I Samuel 10:1)" is misguided also. Samuel used a flask of olive oil, not the sacred recipe. There's nothing in the text to suggest anything but common olive oil.
This verse was meant to show how anointing was done, not that another noting oil is Olive oil. The recipe for anointing oil is in exodus.
There is no evidence that the sacred oil was hallucinogenic. Your case had several fatal speculations with no evidence let alone proof.
Below is evidence to cast doubt, not prove, that the extraordinary claims (not facts), that a god exists, written in a book, by mostly unconfirmed authors, were probably hallucinations and the extraordinary claims do not have evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt.
According to Exodus 30:22-25, one of the ingredients of holy anointing oil is Kaneh basam.
Polish anthropologist, who claimed in 1967 that the plant kaneh bosm קְנֵה-בֹשֶׂם mentioned five times in the Hebrew Bible, and used in the holy anointing oil of the Book of Exodus, was in fact cannabis.[23] The Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church confirmed it as a possible valid interpretation.[24] The lexicons of Hebrew and dictionaries of plants of the Bible such as by Michael Zohary (1985), Hans Arne Jensen(2004) and James A. Duke (2010) and others identify the plant in question as either Acorus calamus or Cymbopogon citratus.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogen> There is no evidence that the authors of Scripture were even possibly under the influence of the sacred oil
> Manna is different than mushrooms
Please provide evidence for this claim.
> The sacred oil was neither burned (to enter the body through the sinuses) nor ingested (to enter the body through the mouth)
I agree.
> Anything is possible, but is it reasonable? Your case is not even close to being possible beyond a reasonable doubt.
Unfortunately, that's not how claims and reasonable doubt works. If there is a claim, and I cast a doubt on the possibility of that claim, the people making the claim have a burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. There is an extraordinary unconfirmed claim that a god exists from people, documented by mostly unknown authors, in very old copied texts. I'm attempting to cast a doubt on the unconfirmed extraordinary claims, documented by mostly unconfirmed authors, by presenting evidence. There is evidence of people using hallucinogenic and psychoactive ingredients before, during, and after jesus lived. There is evidence of people using hallucinogenic and psychoactive ingredients in and around the communities the books of the Bible were written.
> OK, thanks. There is obviously a grave misunderstanding on your part or the part of your source. First, the oil to which you are referring was never ingested either by mouth or inhalation.
Sorry, you were meant to link the fact that olive oil mediates the transfer of other compounds through the skin.
> If you read Exodus 30.26-28, it was poured on articles of furniture. In Ex. 30.30, it was poured on the heads of the priests.
Yes. Olive oil enhances the delivery, of other oils or compounds its mixed with, through the skin. There are oils, from plants, that can be absorbed through the skin, that causes hallucinations.
> Secondly, this oil in the temple had nothing to do with the writing of the Scriptures,
The Holy anointing oil of the themple is not related at all to the holy anointing oil that Moses or jesus or the disciples used? And weren't these oils placed on the skin/head?
> nor can we infer the authors were under any kind of influence of it when they were writing.
All The writers? Probably not.
the witnesses and writers who say they saw the risen jesus and other holy spirits and angels? probably.
> Your claim was that "the authors, and witnesses were likely under the influence of hallucinogenic and psychoactive compounds." But there's no evidence of that anywhere, at all.
The primary advocate of a religious use of cannabis plant in early Judaism was Sula Benet, also called Sara Benetowa, a Polish anthropologist, who claimed in 1967 that the plant kaneh bosm קְנֵה-בֹשֶׂם mentioned five times in the Hebrew Bible, and used in the holy anointing oil of the Book of Exodus, was in fact cannabis.[23] The Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church confirmed it as a possible valid interpretation.[24] The lexicons of Hebrew and dictionaries of plants of the Bible such as by Michael Zohary (1985), Hans Arne Jensen(2004) and James A. Duke (2010) and others identify the plant in question as either Acorus calamus or Cymbopogon citratus.
[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogen[/url]
It's not only possible, buts it's 100% probable that people using hallucinogenic and psychoactive ingredients before, during, and after jesus lived. There is 100% probability of people using hallucinogenic and psychoactive ingredients in and around the communities the books of the Bible were written. There is 100% probability that people, living now and in the past, and in multiple locations all over the world, have had hallucinations of people they know have died. That, combined with a host of cognitive biases, plus: John 20:11–18, Luke 24:13–21, John 21:1–13, Acts 2:14-15, supports the hypothesis that the resurrected jesus was probably hallucinated.
> Third, there was a strict regulation that this recipe was used only in the temple for these sacred anointings and never for any other use (Ex. 30.32-33). Your case is completely unfounded and falls apart at the first sign of research.
Yes, as stated at one instance in the Bible, but stating it doesn't make everyone follow words on a page because Moses, jesus, and the disciples used it. But these passages prove anointing oil wasn't only used in temples, but also used by Moses, jesus, and the disciples.
Exodus 30:22-33 King James Version (KJV) 22 Moreover the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, 23 Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet calamus two hundred and fifty shekels, 24 And of cassia five hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of oil olive an hin: 25 And thou shalt make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary: it shall be an holy anointing oil.
Jesus gave the disciple anointing oil. Mark 6:7-13
7 And he called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirit... 13 And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them.
Psalm 45:7-8 7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 8 All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad.
Acts 2:3-4 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
They probably used their own drug/anointing oil.
> Your claim that it was "later extended to include prophets and kings (I Samuel 10:1)" is misguided also. Samuel used a flask of olive oil, not the sacred recipe. There's nothing in the text to suggest anything but common olive oil.
This verse was meant to show how anointing was done, not that another noting oil is Olive oil. The recipe for anointing oil is in exodus.
There is no evidence that the sacred oil was hallucinogenic. Your case had several fatal speculations with no evidence let alone proof.
Below is evidence to cast doubt, not prove, that the extraordinary claims (not facts), that a god exists, written in a book, by mostly unconfirmed authors, were probably hallucinations and the extraordinary claims do not have evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt.
According to Exodus 30:22-25, one of the ingredients of holy anointing oil is Kaneh basam.
Polish anthropologist, who claimed in 1967 that the plant kaneh bosm קְנֵה-בֹשֶׂם mentioned five times in the Hebrew Bible, and used in the holy anointing oil of the Book of Exodus, was in fact cannabis.[23] The Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church confirmed it as a possible valid interpretation.[24] The lexicons of Hebrew and dictionaries of plants of the Bible such as by Michael Zohary (1985), Hans Arne Jensen(2004) and James A. Duke (2010) and others identify the plant in question as either Acorus calamus or Cymbopogon citratus. [url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogen[/url]
> There is no evidence that the authors of Scripture were even possibly under the influence of the sacred oil
> Manna is different than mushrooms
Please provide evidence for this claim.
> The sacred oil was neither burned (to enter the body through the sinuses) nor ingested (to enter the body through the mouth)
I agree.