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Postby J Lo » Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:56 am

If it is a sin to seek mediums, why do they exist? They don’t want the gift, clairvoyance or clairaudience... why would God make someone like that... if they can’t turn it off.. I’m just confused. It doesn’t seem fair that something like that be a sin when you have no control over it. You pray, but it doesn’t stop, you ask God to take it, but he doesn’t. So I just don’t understand. Jesus was a medium and he said after he left that we have access to All his abilities through the Holy spirit. So is that it... maybe a gift from God. It just doesn’t make since. Not the seeking, because so many false ones... but what if all your life you had the abilities?
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Re: Mediums

Postby jimwalton » Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:04 pm

> If it is a sin to seek mediums, why do they exist.

Mediums exist because there are spiritual beings and forces that are not godly forces. Mediums don't get their abilities from God but instead from other spiritual forces.

> They don’t want the gift, clairvoyance or clairaudience... why would God make someone like that

There's no indication in the Bible that God makes anyone like that. Being a medium isn't God's doing or God's "assignment."

> if they can’t turn it off.

I don't have direct experience with it, but I've read about other mediums who were able to rid themselves of the "power" by devoting their lives to God and submitting to His power.

> You pray, but it doesn’t stop, you ask God to take it, but he doesn’t.

Again, I can only speak second hand, but maybe this person needs the help of other Christians to pray for him or her as well to be delivered from it.

> Jesus was a medium and he said after he left that we have access to All his abilities through the Holy spirit.

I guess it depends what you mean by "medium." If you mean He had access to spiritual powers, then yes. He was God so obviously had spiritual power. If you mean he had access to spiritual power that was not of God, then no. He didn't have any illegitimate spiritual power. At one point in his ministry he was accused of doing his miracles by the power of Beelzebub, a charge he flatly denied, refuted, and proved to be wrong.

> what if all your life you had the abilities?

Possibly there are some websites of Christians who were former mediums that could give you advice. I wouldn't presume to counsel you, not having "been there done that."
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Re: Mediums

Postby PJs » Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:08 pm

Many mediums, at least in the US, are full of it. However, I do believe there are many true mediums and that seeking them out in order to contact the spiritual realm is sinful. I can provide Scripture if needed, but that doesn't seem like where your question is going.

First, I want to clarify that simply being aware of the spiritual realm or seeing things in it is not sinful. It is the willful act of seeking out spirits that is sinful.

Second, I would agree that some people are more susceptible to being contacted themselves or that they are more likely to be aware of the spiritual workings around them. They may even have this "ability" (for lack of a better term) their whole life. That fact is not sinful on the part of that individual, it is when that individual seeks them out that it becomes so.

Third, the are many reasons seeking mediums (by mediums here I mean those with the "ability" that actively seek these spirits out) is forbidden, and it is forbidden in many places in Scripture. The first, is that we are meant to seek God. He is the spirit we are to go after. Not the dead and not demons. The second, is that these entities being contacted are malevolent. They may mask themselves as friendly, but they only seek harm.

Fourth, while a person who is clairvoyant may not be able to turn it off, they can still fight it. Christians are instructed to resist evil spirits daily, to but give into the evil one. The clairvoyant is simply more aware of the battles taking place in their lives.
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Re: Mediums

Postby J Lo » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:26 pm

Thank you soooo much! You all have been so kind in your words. Which leads me to believe they are truly coming from the Holy Spirit and not just opinions. Thanks for being kind.


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